Tuesday, April 16, 2024

Does Sims 2 understand what a Rich and Poor Sim is?

Rich and Poor Sims - Does the game know the difference?

Do you find that the 'Marry a Rich Sim' memory can be a little hit or miss with no apparent quantitative link?

Morty Roth is very rich, or so he tells Rose Greenman he is!

In my gameplay I often use a social class system and economic system to know who is rich and who is poor by the games standard.
Whilst taking a break from my Veronaville playthrough I decided to try making my own Uberhood. I have been watching a lot of Lauraaloosims and Brianna Peppers playthroughs of their Uberhoods which inspired me to try my own out. Please check out their playthroughs on Youtube if you are interested in the idea of a Uberhood.

'How much money do you have?'

Making my Uberhood I decided to introduce a class system and decided to use the best option I had at my disposal - 'Ask' ... 'How much money do you have?'...
I decided marry a rich sim is too unreliable to be able to track everyone and would not tell me about the family until I worked up to a marriage which is too late to think "This breaks my class system"

Using this interaction generates a speech bubble over the sims head with a number of Dollar signs: $ or $$ or $$$. I thought great lower, middle, and upper classes.

Here Cleo Shikibu tells Sanjay Ramaswami that she is lowerclass i.e. not very rich 


Playing as the Jacquet's I begin seeing who was Rich and Poor based on this system of dollar signs.
Of course the Goth's and the Baldwins came up with $$$
But both Brandi Broke and Florence Delarosa had $. Brandi lives in her trailer with $25 to her name. Florence had a net value of $90,813 and of that a household fund (HHF) of $3,827. Brandi does not have that! 
Chester Gieke matched them with $ whilst having a net worth of $19,800 and HHF of $3,500.

Round 2 of searching for how the '$' Sim 'Richness' scale works:
- Geoff Rutherford Net $183,195 HHF $63,552 - $$$ (as expected...)
- Checo Ramirez Net $85,671 HHF $6,883 - $$ Wait What?!

Florence Delarosa is worth $90K and Checo is worth $85K yet she is lower class and him middle class?

It dawned upon me that the 'How much money do you have' means actual cash and cannot actually determine a rich sim.
For example:
- Pleasant Family were $ (the same as the Brokes) despite being the token 'Middle Class' family in Pleasantview
- The Patels and Vivian Cho from belladonna Cove were both $$$ and therefore upperclass despite not giving off those vibes in their housing or monetary situation.

To confirm how the $ system worked I checked a few families out:
- Gabe O'Mackey with $4,445 was $
- Cyd Roseland with $5,122 was $$ (Confirming the first threshold is $5,000)
- Ramir Patel at $24,763 and Kim Cordial with $25,816 both at $$$ confirmed, the 'Rich' threshold was low in the game.
- Jessica Picaso at $10,784 and Vivian Cho at $16,101 confirmed the threshold for upper class was set at $15,000

Lower class (not rich) '$' is any household fund up to $5,000
Middle class (moderately rich) '$$' is any household fund from $5,000 - $15,000
Upper class (very rich) '$$$' is any household fund $15,000 and above.

So it would seem that the game does not know to to track Sims based on wealth, only based on their HHF value.

Marry a Rich Sim

If you search for the numbers around this it seems to be mixed. Marry a sim with $100K net work, Marry a sim with $50K net worth and anywhere around those ideas.
I considered whether the value is perhaps 10x the mains sims but I feel this need more research before I post this into a blog (excuse my inner scientist coming out here...)

The important thing about the marry a rich sim memory is who initiates the marriage. Take a Rich man and Poor girl. If the poor girl marries the Rich man on her lot and he moves in, she won't get the memory. If the rich man marries the poor girl on his lot she will get the memory usually. But household fund quantity seems to change this hence why more research is needed.

In conclusion... for now!

The game does not make accurate use of Rich and Poor sims based on how much money they have, taking into account no net worth or property value. A bank rich sims with no property t their name is considered rich by the game. But a land rich sim with all their money invested into business and property and no cash in the bank is considered poor.

What do you think of this? I am intrigued to see how my fellow simmers use economics and rich vs poor sims in their game, have you ever restricted marriage based on wealth like it would have been for much of our history?


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